I thank the member for her question. You are absolutely right that our children deserve safe and high-quality early education and care. They deserve nothing less. I have been very blunt in this place that not enough has been done by any government of any stripe in this country to make sure that our kids are safe in early education and care, whether that's state or federal or Labor or Liberal. I've also been very determined that that change, and that is why, working with ministers right across the country, we have taken the action that we have.

That includes banning mobile phones in childcare centres. I don't think I need to remind members why we're doing that, but I should tell members that, of all the things we've done, that's the one that the Federal Police tell me is the most important. It's also why we've set up a national register so that we know who is working where and when they move from state to state, and some of the people arrested who are now rotting in jail are the reason for that. It's also why we've put in place national mandatory safety training. It is so everybody, from the CEO to the board, the person who works in the kitchen and the people who work on the floor, has the skills they need to spot a predator that might be hiding in plain sight, that might be grooming kids or might be grooming them. That's why we're also rolling out a trial of CCTV. I think some of the things that we saw on Four Corners on Monday night remind us why that is important as well. This will be the subject of further discussion, as it always is, when ministers meet next week.

I should tell you—to your point about centres closing and centres opening—that ministers are also very conscious that that is happening too. I think, on average, for every centre that closes two open. It is true that there are parts of the country where lots of centres open, and they are only half full. The coordination and organisation of where centres set up and operate is not well organised. We are discussing at the moment the proposal to set up an early education and care commission, something which would augment and expand upon the work that ACECQA does right now. One of the reasons for that is to drive reform to keep our kids safe in early education and care. But another reason for that is to make sure there is better coordination of where centres are so that we don't have centres that are half full, where there are five in one street and none in country towns or in the outer suburbs where they're desperately needed.