Senate debates Questions without Notice

Fuel


Ralph Babet

Ralph Babet Victoria, United Australia Party

2:46 pm

My question is for the Minister for Foreign Affairs, Minister Wong. Minister, six months ago I asked you if it was in the national interest to permit the importation of all fuels, even if these fuels originate from Russia. Your answer was—and I'll quote here:

With respect, Senator Babet , your support for President Putin's regime is a disgrace.

Now, Minister, I note that a few days ago President Donald Trump announced that the United States would purchase Russian diesel to help ease pressure on American families. Minister, my question is: is the President of the United States also a disgrace?

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Sue Lines

Sue Lines President

Order, particularly on my right! I remind the chamber Senator Babet has the right to have his question heard in silence. That is what I expect.

Penny Wong

Penny Wong SA, Australian Labor Party, Minister for Foreign Affairs

Well, Senator Babet, you mentioned the question six months ago, and I have to say it's good to have you back, mate. In fact, this is the first question you've asked in six months. It's six months since your last question, and in fact, during that time, you haven't actually spoken on government legislation. I know it's embarrassing—

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Sue Lines

Sue Lines President

Minister Wong, please resume your seat. Order!

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Sue Lines

Sue Lines President

Order on my right! Senator Babet, on a point of order?

Ralph Babet

Ralph Babet Victoria, United Australia Party

Relevance, President. Please answer the question: is the President of the US a disgrace?

Sue Lines

Sue Lines President

Thank you, Senator Babet. There was a timeframe referred to in your question. The minister's being relevant.

Penny Wong

Penny Wong SA, Australian Labor Party, Minister for Foreign Affairs

The timeframe referred to in the question was the last time you graced us with your presence, mate. In between then and now, people have been observing on Facebook and Instagram your magical mystery tour. I did wonder if you were actually overseas maybe meeting with the people who manufacture your supposed 'Australia first' merchandise, but apparently you were just holidaying in Europe.

We have a clear position on Russia and Ukraine. We believe that Russia's breach of the UN Charter in its invasion of Ukraine was illegal and was wrong, and we will continue to stand with Ukraine. I understand you want to stand with President Putin against Ukraine. I completely disagree with you, and I do think that is a shameful position. We will not be changing our position. If you want to talk about what's disgraceful, I think it's disgraceful that a senator rocks up here, takes six months before he actually turns up to do some work and continues to pull his salary whilst posting his holiday pics everywhere.

Sue Lines

Sue Lines President

Senator Babet, first supplementary?

Ralph Babet

Ralph Babet Victoria, United Australia Party

2:48 pm

():  That was an art form. It didn't answer a single thing. Well done. You're a professional, seasoned vet. Minister Wong, has your government raised any objection with President Trump over his decision to import Russian diesel, or is Australia simply prepared to accept that America is simply putting its national interests first while we don't do the same? Why don't we put our national interests first as well?

Penny Wong

Penny Wong SA, Australian Labor Party, Minister for Foreign Affairs

2:49 pm

We do, and you should give it a go—putting the national interest first—because actually it is in our national interests, as a nation of our size, for the United Nations Charter and the prohibition against the territorial integrity of a country being compromised by a larger power to be held and to be observed. That is in our interest. So it is in our national interest to take the position we have taken, just as it is also in our national interest to ensure that we enter the market in order to assure fuel and fertiliser supplies for Australians, Australian businesses and Australian agriculture. And that is what we have done.

Ralph Babet

Ralph Babet Victoria, United Australia Party

2:50 pm

Minister, is your government's refusal to import Russian fuel driving up prices for Australians at the pump—yes or no? Are you driving up prices needlessly with your stubborn refusal to put this country first? Disregard what happens there. Put us first. Import the oil, import the diesel, import the fuel—whatever it is. Bring the prices down for us here, the people of this country, our country. Australia first.

Penny Wong

Penny Wong SA, Australian Labor Party, Minister for Foreign Affairs

'Australia first,' but you manufacture overseas, right? No? This is the hypocrisy.

Murray Watt

Murray Watt Queensland, Australian Labor Party, Minister for the Environment and Water

All your merch is overseas made.

Penny Wong

Penny Wong SA, Australian Labor Party, Minister for Foreign Affairs

All your merch is overseas made. In terms of 'Australia first', we are ensuring that more fuel and fertiliser come to this country. That's what we have done. Export Finance Australia, under the leadership of the board and also Senator Farrell, have done an outstanding job through global disruption to ensure that our economy has had sufficient supplies of petroleum, of diesel and of petroleum related products, including urea. That has enabled our economy to continue functioning during a period when there has been a constraint on supply. And we have done that without compromising our position in relation to Russia for the reasons I have outlined to you. It is not in our interest to be saying that it is okay for a larger country to invade another. (Time expired)