Disappointing that we can't get the answer we're actually after in regard to the number. Minister, I want to read to you the words of Julie-Ann, a Daily Telegraph reader. Six months after her mother died waiting for a home-care package, My Aged Care rang to ask if she still needed it. Julie-Ann said, 'When I told this person Mum had died, she actually sounded relieved.' Minister, is that how this government manages its waitlist—waiting for people to die?