Tim Ayres (NSW, Australian Labor Party, Minister for Industry and Innovation) Share this | Hansard source

The question—through you, President—was about the Australian Energy Council, and I'm answering it. It is impossible to find a serious contributor in Australian industry, in the energy sector, in manufacturing, in the business community, who thinks that a preferable position would be a disorderly transition run by the show over here. I understand that the impulse for danger, the impulse for wrecking, the impulse for self-indulgence has overtaken here, but the problem is that the people who pay for your policy self-indulgence are ordinary Australians. When you're self-indulgent about energy policy, ordinary Australians pay.