Minister, there's a difference between 'spoke to' and 'consulted with'. 'Consultation' implies that there's a two-way flow of information and feedback is taken on board. 'Spoken to' implies that you simply told them you were doing it. I certainly stood up at a press conference today where ACOSS expressed huge concerns over schedule 5. It was actually calling on the government to remove schedule 5 from this particular bill and to subject it to scrutiny. In those consultations, were EJA and ACOSS supportive of the insertion of schedule 5?