Yes, but Helen's got a broader view of the country and so does Anne, unlike you two. But anyway, we're getting a bit personal now. In response to Senator McKim, I refer to Responsible Wood's Australian/New Zealand standard for sustainable forest management (AS/NZS4708:2021). Section 11.2.10 requires forest managers to address illegal activities and notify the relevant authorities. Operators accredited to the standard are audited. Forest managers have to comply with all legal requirements and demonstrate compliance with them as stipulated by the standard.