I've got that section here which you just mentioned. You've got a note on that which says: 'The independent children's lawyer must perform the following duties, not necessarily at the same time: meet with the child, provide the child with an opportunity to express any views in relation to the matters to which the proceedings relate. Note: a person cannot require a child to express the child's views in relation to any matter under section 60CE.' What do you mean by that—'You cannot require a child to express the child's views in relation to any matter'?