In terms of the questions Senator Hanson was pursuing on the independent children's lawyer, at this point in time as the legislation stands there is only a requirement to meet once. If I understand the evidence given by the minister, he said, no, there is actually a discretion. I sought clarification as to in which section of the act there currently is the discretion. The answer the minister gave was that it is in the guidelines. Can you take me through what those guidelines are please and can we have a copy of them to look at?