Minister, can I go to the point now about recordings. If a children's lawyer is going to have an interview, and if it's up to their discretion as to whether they'll allow the child to have a support person in that meeting, should that meeting with the child be recorded? All you're relying on is that children's lawyer, who is going to put in a report to the judge, which the judge really takes into strong consideration in making their determination. Wouldn't it be in the best interests for that recording to be made available to the parents so that they know what's been put before the judge? None of this is being recorded and reported back to the parents, and I think they should have the right to have a recording.