These non-answers are embarrassing responses, showing not just contempt for the Senate but, worse still, contempt for the disability community. This is a government that made the promise of co-design on the NDIS. 'Nothing about us without us' was the promise that was made. And then, in this budget, they deliver $74 billion in cuts to the NDIS—secret cuts hidden in footnotes. Nothing about us without us? Well, this budget is a disgraceful portrayal of the disability community. I think it's important in this debate to put some of the words of those extraordinary activists and campaigners from within the disability community about what the NDIS means and why this betrayal cuts to the bone. In particular, I want to put the words on of El Gibbs—