Yes—no certainty at all for them. Let's see if we can get some certainty for the next group of employers that have put forward this question: does the manufacturer Backwell IXL, based in South Geelong, which manufactures a range of products, including homewares and steel fabrication, and which employs around 60 people, have a common interest with the oil refinery Viva Energy, based in North Geelong, which employs about 700 people?