If I can just explain: the ministry for finance does not have responsibility for financial services, including ADIs and other financial institutions. They fall under the Treasury portfolio, and we have a specific minister for it—the Minister for Financial Services.

Opposition senators interjecting—

Now, I'm coming in here—and, Senator O'Sullivan, I am very happy to answer your question. I don't have the detail with me. I think it relates to last night's debate, which I was in and out of, around the cashless debit card. If I can get an answer for you—

An opposition senator interjecting—

Well, yes—I'm sorry, but when you're repping about 14 portfolios, you do rely on a bit of paper.

Opposition senators interjecting—