Again, if I'm speaking I expect senators to be quiet. Senator O'Neill, firstly, you rose when the minister had been speaking for less than five seconds. It took me a while to get senators to be quiet. Senator O'Neill rose less than five seconds into the answer. With respect, I do not think, unless there's an egregious breach of standing orders, it is appropriate to try and assert the issue of relevance, which I assume you were trying to assert then. I'm listening carefully to the minister's answer. The minister is entitled to answer in a form she sees fit as long as she is directly relevant to the question. Senator Reynolds to continue.