Penny Wong (SA, Australian Labor Party, Leader of the Opposition in the Senate) Share this | Hansard source

So not only do we have an amendment that the minister won't front up to the Senate about in terms of how it has arisen or when it was negotiated or the fact that she doesn't appear to have consulted with people about it outside of this place, but she also won't tell us what it costs. That's pretty good! Do we have any estimate about the number of people that you are assuming will transition to the cashless debit card?