I'm going to rule on this. Standing order 190, for those listening in the chamber, states:

By leave of the Senate, a senator may explain matters of a personal nature, although there is no question before the Senate, but such matters may not be debated.

In my view, Senator Cormann, that contribution got into the realm of debating. Senator Wong, I let you speak to that issue. This particular standing order works on the basis of leave, and therefore I believe it needs to be more strictly adhered to.