Order. Senator Bilyk, I'm not going to allow the word 'relevance' to be inserted before re-reading the second part of a loaded question. It would be difficult for me to rule the minister out of order because, as I said yesterday, as long as ministers are directly referring to or addressing, including challenging, material or assertions contained in a question or a preamble—as long as they are directly doing that—I think that is being directly relevant. Senator McKenzie.