On the point of order, the minister has had a minute 45. Your President has repeatedly and courteously drawn him to the question—

Honourable senators interjecting—

Sorry, I haven't got my glasses on. I might be wrong. He is a President who's nominated by the government. He has repeatedly and courteously drawn this minister to the question, and the minister is flagrantly ignoring his ruling. I think everyone watching can see what is occurring.