On the point of order: we do assert that the minister is not being directly relevant. The question is very clearly about those—

A government senator interjecting—

Directly relevant. He is not being directly relevant. We asked about the number of people waiting for an approved package. What I would submit to you is consistent with past rulings around what 'direct relevance' means. It is not directly relevant to simply pick up a word—'package'—and talk about something entirely different.