Thursday, 28 June 2018
National Security Legislation Amendment (Espionage and Foreign Interference) Bill 2018, Foreign Influence Transparency Scheme Bill 2018; In Committee
What you're now asking is for me to, in this forum, start to get into the realm of what a court would be doing and what evidence would be considered. I've put out very clearly, and through a range of processes we've put out clearly, exactly what those elements are. They are designed to deal with particular actions of sabotage. In terms of getting into the kinds of details that you're now inviting me to get into, I can't prejudge what kind of evidence might be put to a court in those circumstances. I think you're now asking me to get into that level of detail. We've set it out—I've set it out very clearly and it is set out very clearly in the legislation. The government believe and the opposition believe, having considered it as well, that these bars are at very reasonable levels before this offence is engaged. It is not aimed at the kind of political activity that you are referring to, but you are now inviting me to get into the realm of what a court would do. I don't believe that that's appropriate.