On the same point of order, my understanding of the standing orders is that the context of how things are said is important, in terms of rulings. Senator Hanson-Young didn't say that Senator Hanson deliberately lied. She said she lied. It may have been inadvertent or it may have been deliberate; we don't know. In that sense, I'd ask you to reflect on the fact that she didn't say she deliberately lied.

The CHAIR: Senator Whish-Wilson, I am attempting to uphold the standing orders and the spirit of debate. I think we can have a spirited debate without reflecting on, or coming very close to reflecting on, what may or may not have motivated other senators. I have asked Senator Hanson-Young to withdraw her comments. In consideration of open, and yes, robust debate, I would ask her to withdraw those remarks.