On a point of order, Madam Chair: the senator is continuing to reflect upon the religious beliefs of my colleague, Senator Hinch, in contravention of your continued ruling. I would ask that he now be brought to order in some more substantive sense.

The CHAIR: Thank you, Senator Steele-John. Senator Macdonald on that last occasion was simply reflecting what had been said by Senator Hinch. Senator Macdonald, please continue your contribution.