Yes, on the same point of order. I don't have any problem with senators having a discussion in their seats or at sufficient distance so that the speaker is not distracted and other senators are not distracted. It's highly unusual, in all the time I've been here, for a frontbench minister and a crossbencher to be sitting so close to a speaker, certainly at this time of night. It's just bizarre that it has to be done in that area. You've brought that to his attention, and you should—