Senator Cameron, I think you are referring to the discussion we had yesterday in the government party room about the Finkel report, are you not? I know that Mr Craig Kelly has expressed some views. He has expressed them within the forums of the coalition and he has expressed them publicly as well. He is a voice in this debate, and we are glad to hear his views. I know you old socialists find this very hard to understand, but we in the Liberal Party and in the National Party—