I appreciate the long discussion about who his friends are, but Senator Cormann—

Senator Ian Macdonald interjecting—

The point of order is direct relevance. Thank you for your assistance, Senator Macdonald, as always. The question to Senator Cormann was: why is he unable to rule out his involvement in the preference deal in the way that his colleague did? He was given an opportunity on the 7.30 report. He twice failed to do so. He has an opportunity today.