In my presence volunteers have repeatedly stated support for the terms and conditions of paid firefighters, and they are not opposed to them negotiating that through an EA. Firstly, could you tell me what the length is of a typical and effective enterprise agreement across Australia? I know that will be a very broad answer. Secondly, could a typical EA be more effective at 20 pages? Thirdly, could it be that more than 20 pages introduces possibly superfluous clauses, and what would 400 pages in an EA indicate?