On the term 'piqued my interest': I was referring to the media reports at the end of 2015. What did pique my interest, Senator Conroy, was the Four Corners views of the CCTV that showed a terrible culture of brutality to our youngest and most vulnerable. I can tell you that the comparison with what was in the media at the end of 2015 and what was in those reports at the end of 2015 was a huge gap. That is exactly what my reflection was on, and I stand to it.