Thank you very much, Chair. Senator Siewert might want to argue the accuracy of the Greens' current policy, but what she cannot step away from is the petty act of retaliation from a petty, spiteful, selfish, political operator of a Stalinist background. We have seen it here. But do not take my word for it. Listen to Michael Kroger. He knows. I said earlier that he met Senator Di Natale—