and if I may speak without being bellowed at by Senator Carr over there—is what takes place at the Sir Garfield Barwick lecture. At the Sir Garfield Barwick lecture, a barrister or retired judge gives a speech on a legal or constitutional topic. None of the Sir Garfield Barwick lectures have been of a political character—none of them. If you want to consider the sort of people who give the Sir Garfield Barwick lecture—

Senator Conroy interjecting—