I thank Senator Wang for his question before that rather extraordinary event just before the end of my last question. I was going to say to you that CSIRO is of course an independent body. They will make decisions about how they think the organisation can best go forward. The merger with NICTA, clearly, is from the board's view an appropriate way forward for both organisations. Like you, I would hope that they would manage any potential job losses on the way through.

In relation to your broader question, the relationship between—