The point I was making was that the now Leader of the Opposition, Mr Shorten, has rolled into this chamber a frontbencher by the name of Senator Cameron to ask questions about penalty rates in circumstances when he was the architect of the removal of penalty rates in EBAs, be it in the cleaning industry, be it in the mushroom-picking industry or, indeed, which is quite apt, even in the circus industry—in the Cirque du Soleil—which was entered into—

Honourable senators interjecting—