It was like Ayers Rock; it has not moved in ages. Similarly, your ASC project moved nowhere, went nowhere, because there was nothing that was guaranteed. But the finance minister who used to preside over the finances of this nation, Senator Wong from South Australia, saw the stripping of $16,000 million dollars out of the defence budget and then claimed, 'Shock, horror, there mightn't be enough money in the defence budget.' Can I ask: in the six years, under Labor, did they do anything about submarines? No. (Time expired)