I ask a further supplementary question, Mr President. Does the minister agree with Labor Senator Faulkner, who said last night that Eddie Obeid 'ran Labor governments in New South Wales'? How can the minister be treated as a person of probity on the world stage while he falsely maintains that Eddie Obeid was a marginal figure, not to be taken seriously, when he publicly voted for him not once but twice, and sacked people to make room for Eddie Obeid on his very own frontbench?