I thank Senator Williams for his continued interest in at least parts of rural Australia. One of the important parts is that I do not accept the premise of the question. If Senator Williams has those figures then I always encourage senators to table them. Provide them to Minister Combet's office so that Mr Combet can look at the actual figures, otherwise we end up with a scare campaign again in support of that. I would have thought Senator Williams was above that, quite frankly. I think highly of him.

Treasury modelling has shown that the carbon price will increase issues around electricity prices by 10 per cent and—