I thank the minister for her answer, and I note that the same defence—the thin-end-of-the-wedge argument—was used by the tobacco companies in defence of plain-packaging legislation. But I will go on. Does the minister agree with the managing director of the Future Fund, Mark Burgess, that investment in tobacco is a 'sustainable investment'? And if so, how can an investment in an industry that kills one in every two of its customers be called sustainable?