Mr President, I ask a supplementary question. Given the minister's answer, does he think there needs to be more done to stop the logging of old-growth forests? Particularly, can he inform the Senate whether he is aware of, or has been part of, any discussions with the Tasmanian govern­ment pertaining to an offer of a loan from the Tasmanian government to Aprin logging to purchase the Triabunna woodchip mill in order to keep it operating to woodchip native forests?