We have been at this now since about 9.30 am and we do not seem to have moved on much from very general examination of these very important bills. I have a couple of very specific questions. I could make a 20-minute speech, but I will not. I think it is important that we try to get answers as specific as possible from the minister and his officials. What I want to know, seeing that we have touched again on the insulation issue, is this: will the insulation measure result in a reduction in Australia’s CO2 emissions beyond the unilateral five per cent reduction below 2000 levels by 2020? My second question relating to the insulation measure is: does the energy efficiency measure provide an effective subsidy to high emitters by reducing their permit price? Could the minister give me a specific response, please.