Mr Deputy President, on the point of order: firstly, as a matter of fact, as I understand it, there has been no request for a reference to the Privileges Committee made to the President. Certainly, the President has not reported that so that is not a consideration. Secondly, it is competent for us to debate the actions of Senator Santoro. I will abide by any rulings, Mr Deputy President, on motive, but clearly the evidence of Senator Santoro is to the effect that his trading activity was not properly declared. It is not a case I make; it is a case he makes.