I am not going to debate this, but I do want to put on record through you,  Madam Temporary Chair, that I am horrified by a couple of your statements tonight, Minister. I understand the point that you are making about children’s unconditional love but I think that, in doing so, perhaps a lack of understanding of the nature of power and abuse has been displayed this evening. Senator Siewert’s questions go to the heart of some aspects of this debate, but I will proceed with the amendments and ask that Democrats amendments (6) to (9), (11), (12) and (19) be considered together and that amendments (14), (15) and (18) be considered separate from them, if that is agreeable to the government and the opposition. My understanding is that the opposition support Democrats amendments (6) to (9), (11), (12) and (19). I therefore ask that these be considered separate from Democrats amendments (14, (15) and (18).