When visas are issued within a war zone and people apply for visitor visas, the in-person interview is a different circumstance, but the security checks don't change, and that's what matters. What matters is that there will be no compromise on national security—none. I've seen what Senator Paterson has said, and I've seen what Mike Burgess has said. And if it's a choice between taking national security advice from a junior coalition shadow minister or the director-general of our national security organisation, I'll back our security organisation any day.