If you have the view that they've been advocating for week after week, that they have been doing through their proxies through their extreme right wing little groups, funded by all those people running around during the Dunkley by-election, then they won't be the utes. That's their position as they go forward. They say there will not be any utes. They say that it will all go backwards. The fact is that what we have, as the member for Bradfield has repeatedly said when he was the minister, he put forward the case for the need to have proper emission standards.