They do shriek, don't they? When you talk about integrity in public administration, it sets them off. They just kind of yell and scream—exactly what I said. I think it proves my point earlier that they still don't get that how they administered these funds was fundamentally wrong. It was legally wrong and it was ethically wrong.

A $4.8 billion fund: it's funding a set of traffic lights at the intersection of Camberwell Road with Redfern Road and Monteath Avenue.