I will begin by reminding the member for Perth that it's a very serious offence to mislead the House. The member made a statement that there are pensioners in Queensland that are forced onto the cashless debit card. I'm not aware that that's the case. I will check that with the minister for social services. There's a cashless debit card trial across my electorate, with 3½ thousand people on the card, and I'm not aware of one pensioner who is on the card. I will be checking that, and I will be bringing that to the attention of the House if it's proved be incorrect.

The main substance of what I'm here for today is to—