despite declaring that they had delivered surpluses. He was the apprentice to Wayne Swan the master; he is the boy wonder of budget deficits. I think his credibility on deficits is somewhat difficult. His record when he was chief of staff and principal adviser to Wayne Swan was the biggest deficit in cash terms in modern Australian history—$54.5 billion. That is the record of those opposite. He, of course, did say and those opposite have said many times over that they delivered surpluses—

Honourable members interjecting—