I thank the honourable member for his question. His technique of verballing, I am afraid to say, is not particularly effective. The claimed $70 billion in savings is a nonsense, and the honourable member knows that. The savings that the honourable member's party have announced do not result in $70 billion in savings, not by any measure. The items that they have hung their hat on—the increase in tobacco excise—

Mr Bowen interjecting—