I thank the honourable member for her question. She would be very well aware, as indeed would the shadow Attorney-General be very well aware, that guilt or innocence is not determined by public denunciation, here or anywhere else. The minister has answered the questions put to him. I thank the opposition for their interest in this matter. They should understand that the facts relating to the Ashby affair occurred some years ago. The evidence, the facts of the matter and the circumstances—

Mr Conroy interjecting—

Ms Butler interjecting—