if you are unwilling to make reasonable restraint there to pay for things like child care—to make some contribution to returning the nation to surplus—then you will find yourself in a position where you have, in essence, said you have no plan whatsoever for fiscal consolidation.

As the Treasurer has pointed out today, what members opposite have is a hint of further savings inside the family tax benefit system. They will investigate further savings. They will not tell anyone what they are. They know they must be made. When they were in government, they took enormous amounts of money out of the family tax benefit system.

Mr Albanese interjecting—