I withdraw. Nevertheless, it remains the fact that this afternoon we saw an object lesson in why we cannot believe this government and why the people—

Mr Tudge interjecting—

This is the same bloke who was defending $500 million worth of cuts from last year's budget for Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people. This is the same bloke who is defending the cuts of $160 million from Aboriginal health programs. This person seeks to represent Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander interests as a parliamentary secretary. He wouldn't know his backside from his elbow.