It was not tongue in cheek. He looked at that kid and he said, 'Get a job.' 'Get a job'! And the reason he said that was not because he was just having a bit of fun on the campaign trail. The reason he said it was: it is actually terribly important.

I heard the member for Forrest the other day say how they started their small business—how they borrowed $80,000 and they had $15,000 of equity—

Dr Leigh interjecting—