Alannah Mactiernan (Perth, Australian Labor Party) Share this | Hansard source

They are not that dumb, actually. The people who run the organisations actually have a lot of technological smarts. There is no doubt that that is true. I acknowledge that some of my colleagues, including the member for Gellibrand, have the view—I think it is probably right and it is certainly a view supported by the law enforcement agencies that presented to the committee at the public hearings—that many of their targets are not actually sophisticated, shall we say. Therefore, it is quite a useful and productive area for them to pursue people who might be engaged in terrorist activities or engaged in criminal activities, albeit that you might not get the Mr Bigs through this process. Again, this is complex stuff. This is stuff that affects virtually every adult Australian.

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