that the opposition can spin their wheels as much as they like about the higher education reforms. The simple fact is, they are out of step with the rest of Australia.

Opposition members interjecting—

They are out of step with all the sensible economic commentators in the country who recognise the need for reform. For example, Paul Kelly, writing in The Weekend Australian

Opposition members interjecting—

Oh, you laugh at Paul Kelly do you? One of the most eminent journalists in Australia. Have a good old laugh; no wonder you are so out of touch with reality over there!

Ms MacTiernan interjecting—